Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Long sprawling post. Picture of horse. Questions at the end.



The horse stands for something, I'm sure,
 if we could just figure out what it is...

The other day a non-English major friend was working on a poem analysis for an English class. He was trying to wrestle the poem to the ground and make it surrender some kind of deep one-to-one correspondence--the horses stand for nature, the grass is Death, the wind is...our souls?... Finally I said, "You're probly working too hard. Maybe you should try just absorbing it."

"Typical English major ," he said. Then he read it again, more relaxed. "Huh," he said. A friend from the class called, and he answered his cell phone. "Elena says we're working too hard," he said.

(Yup. That's what I thought.)


Recently I've been reading books of poetry, but also poets talking about poetry. I've found that experts reflecting on their own craft can be immensely helpful for me (in small doses), mostly because it gives an articulate, insider view of some of the same things I'm trying to deal with.


"Poems don't just happen. They are luckily or stealthily related to a readiness within ourselves. When we read or hear them, we react. We aren't just supposed to react--any poem that asks for a dutiful response is masquerading as a poem, not being one. A good rule is--don't respond unless you have to. But when you find you do have a response--trust it. It has a meaning."
from Writing the Australian Crawl by William Stafford

I appreciate Stafford's ideas first from a reader's perspective. Poetry can be daunting, not always because it gives us deep feeling, but because we expect to get deep feeling out of everything (or there's something wrong). Sometimes it's helpful for me to approach a poem knowing I may not like it, any more than I'm going to like every food that I eat. But I won't know what food I like--or what food is good for me--until I try it.

From a writing perspective, Stafford also seems to explore how things feel as he writes, and to respond when he feels the need for a response. And maybe that response is poetry. Tom Andrews says something similar:
"James Thurber was once interviewed by a reporter who had read Thurber in a French translation; after reading Thurber in English, the reporter said he preferred the French translation. 'That's always been my problem,' Thurber replied. 'I lose something in the original.' While writing a poem, I hope to be confronted with a moment when, as William Stafford put it, 'the material talks back,' often frustrating my original intent or design for the poem. At that moment I have a decision to make. I can insist on my original intent or I can try to listen to and follow the poem's emerging direction. Invariably I find that if I insist on my original design, then 'I lose something in the original.' Increasingly I'm interested in letting my poems...engage directly this tension between my own desire to speak and the languag's tendency to displace the speaker. The more I write, the more I discover the truth of something Michel Focault wrote: "Language always seems to be inhabited by the other, the elsewhere the distant."
--Tom Andrews

from What Will Suffice: Contemporary American Poets on the Art of Poetry eds. Buckley and Merrill

I find Andrews' statement true for me; if I'm being honest about what I'm writing, it often goes a direction I did not intend, and the language itself directs it. One of my goals for this capstone are being willing to go where the language seems to be leading.

Something else I'm thinking about: reading books on "craft" don't work unless I'm practicing at the same time! I can read all I want about electrical wiring or deep sea diving or babysitting or writing, but unless I'm going to be practicing it while I'm reading more and more, it will be flat knowledge on a flat page. The practice feeds the knowledge I can glean from the "mentoring" of books and those who've gone before me.

Other writers I'm reading: Aaron Belz, who will, incidentally, be at the Festival of Faith and Writing (some of his quirky poems here and here).

Questions I'm curious about, for you all:

  • What has your experience with writing poems or prose been in terms of who is directing the piece you are writing? Do you think you're able to let go of writing enough to explore?
  • How do you find yourself responding to poems, or expecting to respond? How do you want other readers to respond to your writings? Is it even good to consider readers' responses at the creation stage?
  • Do you have any writers you've stumbled across that you'd like to recommend?

12 comments:

  1. I completely agree with the quote by Tom Andrews. I actually experienced that frustration of trying to make your writing go someplace last week when I was working on my first capstone piece. After about three days of struggling with it, I finally gave up on my original idea. Then, lo and behold, a draft was born! Funny how it works that way. It is hard to let go, but I've certainly realized that the process will be more worthwhile if I do.

    I just have to laugh at your question about responding to poems. I'm not a poet and am usually not attracted to poetry, so I oftentimes read something and think "huh? That was weird." I think it's helpful to go into poetry without expecting much of anything. Just read honestly and openly and see if anything happens. It's just like looking at a piece of visual art: not all of us are going to have an emotional response to every piece -- though our teachers will probably still force us to analyze them.

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  2. Even though I'm not doing poetry as part of my Capstone, I think a lot of the ideas that you reflected on here can transfer over to prose as well. The idea of a poem asking for a dutiful response struck me. I think that making our writing force a response instead of inviting one is a good distinction to make. Sometimes you just have to let things happen as they will.

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  3. This makes me think of a scene from Bright Star. John Keats and his lover are discussing what poetry is:

    Fanny: "I still don't know how to work out a poem."

    John: "A poem needs understanding through the senses. The point of diving in a lake is not immediately to swim to the shore, but to be in the lake. To luxuriate in the sensation of water. You do not "work the lake out"...it is an experience beyond thought. Poetry soothes and emboldens the soul to accept mystery."

    If your soul is "soothed" and "emboldened" to accept mystery, that most likely means that you can't have an "original" plan if you're going to go the full spectrum with a poem. I like the idea of following a poem around. Sometimes poems follow me around, but I think that's only because they really want us to turn around and follow them.

    That's what I think.

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  4. O, how poets love to personify their poems as little people! i think it's totally legit, but it often makes me chuckle.

    Elena, i can definitely resonate with yours and Stafford's thought: the poem needs to be a "response." It's possible to write things that don't convey your own response. And i also feel the challenge to let my writing go "where the language seems to be leading," as you put it so well. To join in the personification party, i think that we should feed off our writing as much as it feeds off us.

    One last thing, i appreciate your thoughts on how to approach a poem, that is, aware that you may or may not like it. Sometimes i put pressure on myself to feel a certain way toward a piece (usually to feel positive toward it). Approaching it with a more neutral stance is going to be healthier for us and for the poem itself.

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  5. Hey Elena.
    Thanks for posting questions too, that is helpful. I agree that we ought to let our writing out of its cage in our roughdrafts. I might be finding that the second draft needs to be the wilder one, hacking in every corner, producing a shredded mess that is more authentic, yet needs to find a new structure. But if we don't pick apart our pieces, they can end up just as ugly.

    I also think that audience receptivity doesn't need to be the aim of a first draft, or even the exclusive purpose of the second (when I second, I don't necessary mean for this capstone, as we are constantly re-drafting and those second drafts mean something a bit different). The more I work out what I am trying to say, the more I can work out what I desire my audience to understand, and even what they do not need to understand. Sometimes I just need to get it out and then they don't need to know.

    As far as the mentoring of books goes, I agree with this, but I think for me it takes so much more. I need that interactive aspect with other people. Like meeting for capstone! :)

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  6. I loved the quote by Tom Andrews especially, and it's really interesting to see what happens when you let your language direct your writing. I've been wrestling with that quite a bit with my own poetry this semester, and the hardest thing for me is to write things that I wouldn't ordinarily think of, but it's really amazing when you can take the extra step and be willing to surprise yourself. Just keep remembering that you can always go back and change it later if you don't like it.

    The biggest thing I can suggest about reading poetry is just to make sure you get a lot of variety in your reading. Since every poet comes to poetry in a unique way, it can be really enriching to read as much as you can of different styles and experiment with what you notice in your own poetry. Don't be afraid to try something totally different, and note down what you like in other poetry!

    Looking forward to meeting for Capstone.

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  7. I think a lot of times, when it comes to poetry and letting the piece do the leading, when I try to to write poetry, it tries to lead too fast. So I turn away and start walking, hoping it will follow me instead. But then it just gets mad. Anything good we might have had going first draft slumps, and we talk about parting ways. Unfortunately, I think writing is a complicated relationship between the author and the piece, because in human relationships, one person can sometimes "win" over the other. With writing, this isn't the case. Listening to Leif Enger at the Faith and Thought lecture this evening, I was reminded that the only way to serve the work is to let it lead. We don't do our writing justice if we try to "win" all the time. I think too, that neither the author nor readers can respond to poetry or prose until that piece has been given the time and ability to say what it was truly meant to say. If we try to constrict it too much, the message won't be the same. So while our reactions to certain things are good starting points, but don't let it control the poem. Just some thoughts.

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  8. All these thoughts have me analyzing my writing, and here is what I have concluded. With my poetry, I do not expect the readers to respond. I expect them to listen, and if something hits a chord that resonates for them, that is a bonus. I do not like poetry as much as I like prose. I have a hard time showing in poetry, while in prose I have time to show instead of tell.

    Also, I don't want to consider the reader too much in my writing because then I will be accommodating them. Writing is the one time I turn off my self aware self and put myself out there without a need for response. And if the response does come, I hope that the reader trusts that response. This is why I find freedom in writing.

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  9. I didn't understand your question about being able to "let go of writing enough to explore." Do you mean that we should literally let go of writing and not think about writing, or let go of some of our own control and intentions that we tend to force onto the writing?

    I either respond to poems by liking them or by disliking them. Either I connect, or I don't. From what I see going on in this conversation, that is an okay thing, yet in our classes on poetry, we are trained to do close readings of poems and find things to say about them, often leaving me feeling like your friend with the horse poem. If we're supposed to enjoy, not understand, a poem, why do I often feel like I'm the only one who *doesn't* understand any given poem?

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  10. Wow, Elena, you had a lot of good things to say. I especially liked how you said that when you start being honest, that's when the writing goes in a direction you didn't intend. That's really a testament to how we aren't in control of our stories/poems. They just come out of us and take a shape of their own. That's a beautiful thing.

    The people you quoted had really good advice too. I don't write poetry, but hearing them speak about it like that makes me think, "Well, maybe it's not so bad after all."

    Another thing you said that I liked was that you can't read a book about craft unless you're practicing it at the same time. So true! You can read as much as you want, but unless you practice what you are reading, that material isn't going to help you very much.

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  12. In response to your second question, I think it is probably not good to think of your readers' responses during the creation stage of your poem. William Stafford said, "Any poem that asks for a dutiful response is masquerading as a poem, not being one." You have to let the poem simply be... as truthful as possible. And people will react to it as they will.

    Even after the poem is completely written, I think you should still just keep it as you like it. If others may not love it or will criticize you for it, or if you're not comfortable reading it to people, then don't show it to them! Just write another poem, and maybe you'll be willing to show this one to your audience. ...those are just my thoughts. :)

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